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Re: Tank Head Enchant.
Posted by Raguel » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:22 pm

That tank is using the dodge+stamina head enchant because he is in full 391 gear, and the mitigation he would receive from the strength+mastery enchant would be wasted, as he is a...

Re: Tank Head Enchant.
Posted by Raguel » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:27 am

Lets assume that a guy who has killed Sinestra 24 times, heroic Nefarian 23 times, and Ragnaros heroic twice so far, knows what he is doing, and he is still using "inferior&q...

Re: Enchant Boots - Major Agility (for Prot Paladin)
Posted by Raguel » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:01 pm

Both should be rated 0 now, as agility provides no benefit for plate wearing tanks.

Tank Head Enchant.
Posted by Raguel » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:00 pm

While the fix was put in place to raise Arcanum of the Wildhammer/Dragonmaw from 0 points to 10, I can see no reason that it should not be the full 20. I cannot speak for all tanks...

Re: Elemental Slayer
Posted by Raguel » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:47 pm

I noticed im getting a 0 for this enchant. While not as good as windwalker it does allow a tank to avoid ALOT of damage from Elemental mobs by chain silencing them. Furthermore, t...

Re: Tank Glove Enchant
Posted by Raguel » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:45 pm

Currently, wow heroes has the following weights for glove enchants: 18 - Mastery (50 Mastery) 20 - Greater Mastery (65 Mastery) 20 - Heavy Savage Armor Kit (44 Stamina) 44 Stamina...

Re: Hit rating for tanks
Posted by Raguel » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:59 am

Its dicey at first but once you got some vengeance going hit is completely unneeded for threat. Next patch you wont even need it for taunts. Misdirect/TotT should cover the first ...

Re: Tank Head Enchant.
Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:22 pm
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

Alex wrote:
Raguel wrote:
That tank is using the dodge+stamina head enchant because he is in full 391 gear, and the mitigation he would receive from the strength+mastery enchant would be wasted, as he is already at the cap.

Tanks who are looking to maximize their survivability and combat table coverage while still progressing (read: not in all possible best in slot gear) receive a greater benefit from the strength + mastery enchant.

On July 30th, when I posted the above, he didn't had the best possible 391 gear.

Regardless, why are tanks being punished for choosing an enchant that provides more avoidance & mitigation? It's not possible to argue the numbers. As an endgame tank who keeps up with the latest EJ theorycrafting, I can cede that there are encounters in which extra HP is more valuable than damage reduction. However, any shield-wearing tank, and perhaps Death Knights as well, will garner more mitigation from the strength to parry conversion, and the added mastery, over a bit of dodge.

I simply don't see why, when the benefits to BOTH are clear, that one gives a perfect score, while the other is seen as inferior.

Re: Tank Head Enchant.
Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:27 am
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

Alex wrote:
Lets assume that a guy who has killed Sinestra 24 times, heroic Nefarian 23 times, and Ragnaros heroic twice so far, knows what he is doing, and he is still using "inferior" stamina enchant. So, at best, those 2 enchants can have max score, it's just a matter of deciding if Strength + mastery is equally good. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad enchant.

That tank is using the dodge+stamina head enchant because he is in full 391 gear, and the mitigation he would receive from the strength+mastery enchant would be wasted, as he is already at the cap.

Tanks who are looking to maximize their survivability and combat table coverage while still progressing (read: not in all possible best in slot gear) receive a greater benefit from the strength + mastery enchant.

Re: Enchant Boots - Major Agility (for Prot Paladin)
Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:01 pm
by Raguel
Forum: Paladin

Both should be rated 0 now, as agility provides no benefit for plate wearing tanks.

Tank Head Enchant.
Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:00 pm
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

While the fix was put in place to raise Arcanum of the Wildhammer/Dragonmaw from 0 points to 10, I can see no reason that it should not be the full 20. I cannot speak for all tanks, but prot Pallies gain a great deal more combat table coverage from Str/Mastery than a tiny bit of dodge, as is found on the other viable tank enchant.

While the choice may have been more clear cut in Tier 11 content, str now gives more parry rating than it used to, and mastery is being removed from many tank items, in favour of dodge and parry, thus making it more difficult to reach the 102.4% block cap.

Please reconsider the 10 points that you are shorting some of us!

Re: Elemental Slayer
Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:47 pm
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

Vaydra wrote:
I noticed im getting a 0 for this enchant. While not as good as windwalker it does allow a tank to avoid ALOT of damage from Elemental mobs by chain silencing them. Furthermore, there are a LOT of elemental mobs this expansion.

I feel this enchant should be on par with mongoose, blood draining, and bladeward at an about 15. Or at the very least on par with a weapon chain at 14.

While I would not give it a 0, I would easily give it a 5, give or take. It's nearly useless for most tanking activities.

Re: Tank Glove Enchant
Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:45 pm
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

Graelik wrote:
Currently, wow heroes has the following weights for glove enchants:

18 - Mastery (50 Mastery)
20 - Greater Mastery (65 Mastery)
20 - Heavy Savage Armor Kit (44 Stamina)

44 Stamina is significantly less beneficial relative to 50 Mastery. This is especially true for plate wearing tanks (I'm not sure about druids).

The Armor kit should probably be 17 or 16 rated.

In a heroic raid situation, stamina outweighs stacked mastery, being that most damage that runs any risk of being lethal is magic. I do agree, though, that the armour kit should be 17.

Re: Hit rating for tanks
Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:59 am
by Raguel
Forum: Enchants

Vaydra wrote:
Its dicey at first but once you got some vengeance going hit is completely unneeded for threat. Next patch you wont even need it for taunts.

Misdirect/TotT should cover the first if you have hunters/rogue and DPS just giving you a few seconds to build vengeance (i means its not like they are waiting for sunders) should solve those problems.

Mastery on the other hand is a tanking paladins BEST stat and helps with survival. No way should the hit rating chant come close to the same rating as mastery.

This is mostly correct, although all taunts have a permanent 100% chance to hit, unless the target is immune. What you meant to say is that in 4.1, INTERRUPTS that are off the GCD have a 100% chance to hit.

Misdirect and Tricks of the Trade, along with the ability to taunt if necessary are all that any tank will ever need for threat. 0% hit and 0 expertise are required to tank, thanks to Vengeance.

Mastery is the top Prot Paladin stat until you reach Heroic Raids, where the incredible amounts of magic damage require stamina stacking with high end gear.

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