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Re: Wrist question plus other gear question.
Posted by dditthardt » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:26 pm

If you've got gold to burn, get the spikeguards. Or, alternatively, run toc25 and try to get the wrists that drop there. Certain leather pieces are better than plate for fury warri...

Re: Fury Warrior Reference Guide, Patch 3.3.5
Posted by dditthardt » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:19 pm

Updated to include a macros section as well as a suggestion of how to use rend in your fury rotation.

Fury Warrior Reference Guide, Patch 3.3.5
Posted by dditthardt » Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:21 pm

Hey guys, I've noticed alot of people asking the same questions here on the warrior forum so I decided to put all the answers to the common questions in one place. I hope you find ...

Re: 5k GS fury warrior need help with dps
Posted by dditthardt » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:22 pm

You should be spamming HS/cleave(for multiple targets) nonstop as they don't interfere with your normal rotation. They fire whenever your main hand weapon strikes the enemy, and re...

Re: Can someone give me a once over and then advise.
Posted by dditthardt » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:20 pm

The NES is great until you have armor penetration of about 700, then the proc starts getting weaker as the 678 arp is gives you starts to get wasted as it puts you over the cap at ...

Re: 5k GS fury warrior need help with dps
Posted by dditthardt » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:22 pm

Quite simply you need better gear. Swap some of your gems to expertise, don't get rid of your dmc:greatness. That will help you in the short term. See if you can sneak into some IC...

Re: Can someone give me a once over and then advise.
Posted by dditthardt » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:14 pm

Thanks =) Immitation really is the greatest flattery and giving advice tends to get that effect. I am flattered =) Dropping the mark was a good call, you are over the soft hit cap ...

Re: looking for some helpful advice regarding gear
Posted by dditthardt » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:02 pm

Your meta could be slightly better...decimals really, not that important but the chaotic skyflare diamond is the bis meta for warriors...21 crit strike instead of 21 agil. Also a v...

Re: ap question please help
Posted by dditthardt » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:49 pm

Your best possible course of action is to get deathbringers will. Most of the proc from the NES is being wasted right now. Alternatively, you could drop arp gems for str gems so th...

Re: Fury - Armor Penetration
Posted by dditthardt » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:48 pm

what is "the trinket"? If you mean trinket's in general, like Deathbringer's will, then yes. If you mean trinkets like the Needle Encrusted Scorpion, Grim Toll, etc. Then...

Re: Wrist question plus other gear question.
Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:26 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

If you've got gold to burn, get the spikeguards. Or, alternatively, run toc25 and try to get the wrists that drop there.

Certain leather pieces are better than plate for fury warriors...but only at the highest gear levels. For instance, the leather frost badge belt is better than the plate one for most people unless you're low on certain stats. You should go and download landsoul's warrior DPS spreadsheet so you can model the differences.

Re: Fury Warrior Reference Guide, Patch 3.3.5
Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:19 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Updated to include a macros section as well as a suggestion of how to use rend in your fury rotation.

Fury Warrior Reference Guide, Patch 3.3.5
Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:21 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Hey guys, I've noticed alot of people asking the same questions here on the warrior forum so I decided to put all the answers to the common questions in one place. I hope you find this helpful!

Stats
Expertise hard cap : ~25/215 Rating
Hit soft cap : 163.95 Rating/8% (This includes the precision talent)
Hit hard cap : 786.96 Rating/24% (This includes the precision talent)
Minimum critical percentage for 100% flurry uptime : 35%
Armor Penetration Hard Cap : 1399 Rating/100%
Point at which Armor Penetration is more valueable than strength : 775 Rating

Getting to the expertise hard cap is a must and before you are there it is your most important stat. After it, you must hit the hit soft cap. Do not strive for the hit hard cap as it's a waste of valueable item budget/gem slots. After hit and expertise are capped you will see huge DPS gains from adding crit if your crit percentage is below 35% because of flurry. Do not use a single armor penetration gem until your armor penetration rating from your gear alone is at least 775.

Gems
Always have 1 Nightmare Tear in a blue socket, it's better than any blue gem and helps meet your socket bonus and meta requirement of 2 blue gems. Make sure to have 2 blue gems socketed at all times(blue/purple/green all work). Stamina is useless. Make sure to remember that when you think about putting a Sovereign Dreadstone(+10str, +15sta) in a socket to get a +6str bonus. Instead, think that you're only getting 16 str for socketing that gem(10 + 6) instead of the 20 you could get by socketing a bold cardinal ruby.

Rotation
Your rotation priorities should be...
Single Target - 1. Bloodthirst, 2. Whirlwind, 3. Slam(With bloodsurge buff), 4. Heroic Throw, 5. Execute
Multiple Targets - 1. Whirlwind, 2. Bloodthirst, 3. Slam(With bloodsurge buff), 4. Heroic Throw, 5. Execute
What these priorities mean is that if 1 is ready and 2 is ready, use 1. If 1 and 2 are on cooldown and 3 is ready, use 3. If 1,2,3 are on cooldown(or in slam's case, you don't have the bloodsurge buff) use 4. etc.

Alongside this rotation, if you have 60 or more rage and the enemy's hp is more than 20%, spam heroic strike for single target situations or cleave for multi-target. If the enemy's hp is less than 20%, wait for 80 rage to spam heroics strike/cleave. Heroic strike and cleave are different than the skills listed above. They do not use a "global cooldown" which causes all skills to not be available for 1.5 seconds. They fire when your main hand swings at the enemy. Spam them when the requirements above are met.

Once you are comfortable with your rotation, you may find that you have times when you are waiting on cooldowns before you can do anything. To get a small DPS increase(less than 5%) you can sneak in a rend if you're quick. See the macros section of this post for an automated way to stance dance and use rend. Keep in mind that if you mistime this skill it can hurt your DPS rather than help it.

Talents
Copy these http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... ul&group=1
Or these http://www.wowarmory.com/character-tale ... nk&group=1

Macros
Stance dance + rend
Code: Select all
#showtooltip Rend /cast [stance:1] Rend; Battle stance /stopcasting /cast Berserker stance

stance dance and retaliation(for fights like marrowgar just before bonestorm)
Code: Select all
#showtooltip Retaliation /cast [stance:1] Retaliation; Battle stance /stopcasting /cast Berserker stance

You can take these macros and combine them as well. One of my favorites for the marrowgar fight is, just before he bonestorms, cast rend + retaliation + shattering throw all before jumping back into berserker stance and continuing my rotation. These sorts of macros can increase your dps substantially and automate some fairly complex tasks.

Other Terms
Armor Penetration Soft Cap : Refers to the situation where you have a trinket that sometimes gives you a certain amount of armor penetration(Needle Encrusted Scorpion, Grim Toll). Making your passive arp + the trinket's proc = 1399 will give you the best possible situation with these trinkets.

Re: 5k GS fury warrior need help with dps
Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:22 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

You should be spamming HS/cleave(for multiple targets) nonstop as they don't interfere with your normal rotation. They fire whenever your main hand weapon strikes the enemy, and replace your normal hit.

Only use HS/Cleave when you have over 50-60 rage. When you get more comfortable with your rotation you can try stance dancing to sneak in a rend when you have no other skills available.

Re: Can someone give me a once over and then advise.
Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:20 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

The NES is great until you have armor penetration of about 700, then the proc starts getting weaker as the 678 arp is gives you starts to get wasted as it puts you over the cap at 1399.

BiS trinkets for fury warriors are "Deathbringer's Will"(IcC25 Saurfang) and the "Whispering Fanged Skull"(IcC10 Lady Deathwhisper). In a close third place is the "Death's Verdict" from ToC25.

The Banner Of Victory is comparable to Darkmoon Card:Greatness.

Re: 5k GS fury warrior need help with dps
Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:22 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Quite simply you need better gear. Swap some of your gems to expertise, don't get rid of your dmc:greatness. That will help you in the short term.

See if you can sneak into some ICC 10 runs. some great gear for warriors drops in the first wing.

Re: Can someone give me a once over and then advise.
Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:14 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Thanks =) Immitation really is the greatest flattery and giving advice tends to get that effect. I am flattered =)

Dropping the mark was a good call, you are over the soft hit cap so hit is not an important stat for you right now, although extra hit won't hurt you. The soft hit cap is 163.95 hit rating.

You should be gemming pure strength right now, not armor penetration. If you have the gold I would get some bold cardinals cut and replace all your gems with those instead. You should only gem for armor penetration when, without gems, your penetration rating is 750+. That is the point where point for point arp overtakes str as your main dps stat.

I know that ring is new, but try to throw a gem in it asap =)

Overall you're doing alright it sounds like.

Re: looking for some helpful advice regarding gear
Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:02 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Your meta could be slightly better...decimals really, not that important but the chaotic skyflare diamond is the bis meta for warriors...21 crit strike instead of 21 agil.

Also a very small increase, but switching to the ashen band of endless vengeance would give you a little boost over might. Reference elitist jerks if you need an explanation on that =) I couldn't believe it either, lol.

Other than that...you're pretty much golden. The 4pc t-10 bonus is fun isn't it?

Re: ap question please help
Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:49 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

Your best possible course of action is to get deathbringers will. Most of the proc from the NES is being wasted right now.

Alternatively, you could drop arp gems for str gems so that your passive arp + the proc from NES = 1399. Then you would be "soft capped". You would see a slight increase in your dps if you did that.

Aside from the question at hand, you are itemized fairly well. Your expertise is a little high so bleeding off some expertise would increase your dps as it would be replaced with a stat that actually did something =). For reference, the expertise cap is 215 rating.

You could fetch a little more arp with no loss of any stat that matters by going with the other 226 neck, the broach of wailing night.

Trade out the ashen ring of might for the vengeance one. It will increase your dps more. The thing about fury warriors right now is that agility is actually good, lol.

PS:: Don't call it AP, call it Arp. AP gets confused for attack power like the person above me. And also, out of curiosity, what kind of DPS do you do on Marrowgar?

Also, str does not help with armor penetration. And it's pointless to plan for cataclysm. They're replacing stats like arp with things like crit, extra str, etc for cata on existing gear, so no matter what your gear will be useable the day after patch.

Re: Fury - Armor Penetration
Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:48 pm
by dditthardt
Forum: Warrior

what is "the trinket"?

If you mean trinket's in general, like Deathbringer's will, then yes.

If you mean trinkets like the Needle Encrusted Scorpion, Grim Toll, etc. Then no.

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