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Re: Where is the page that shows how the points add up?
Posted by Gyx » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:30 pm
1) Professions should not have any influence...the result of said professions should however Totally agree, it already works something like that, more tuning inc That's cool if it...

Re: Where is the page that shows how the points add up?
Posted by Gyx » Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:12 am
I personally do not care if you keep your formula a secret or not, but I thought I would point out some flaws in what little bit of info you have given: 1) Professions should not h...

Re: Rating issues between classes/specs
Posted by Gyx » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:34 am
There are alot of instances where wow heroes goes wrong...but it's a system that only takes into account certain variables and/or rankings. Take for instance Signet of Bridenbrad.....

Re: Where is the page that shows how the points add up?
Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:30 pm
by Gyx
Forum: General

Alex wrote:
Gyx wrote:
1) Professions should not have any influence...the result of said professions should however

Totally agree, it already works something like that, more tuning inc

That's cool if it works like that already, just confusing wordingon one of your other posts.

Alex wrote:
Gyx wrote:
2) Has your system been tuned to DK's at all?

This system does not take classes into account, since all classes are equal. For example, all tanks can now tank anything. Yes, some classes are better suited for some encounters, but overall you can finish everything with any class, if you have the same gear. DKs do not get any penalty over other classes in any way, nor do other classes get bonuses over DKs.

There are penalties, indirect as they may be. Comparing a Tank DK to a Warrior Tank and only observing MH, OH, and Ranged a Warrior tank will usually outscore a DK tank since they have access to a 1h+Enchant, Shield+Enchant/Gems, Ranged Wep + Chant/Gems...from what little has been said of the scoring method it seems like 3 slots filled with higher possible ilvl's...all three of which carry enchants and two of which carry possible gem sockets, would lead to a higher score...obviously we're not talking 300+ points or anything...but every other slot can potentially be filled with the exact same item for those two classes in that given role.

I do firmly believe some weight should be granted for 100% reactive abilities. Stuff that is talent/ability based but is not a RNG factor...X will happen if you do Y type of things. My reasoning is that everyone prefers different talents/rotations and by not taking X talent they are technically losing Y buff. A tank who does not take Anticipation should score lower than one who does, assuming all other variables are the same; this may already be in effect, or it may not. Maybe some type of weighted point scale for "on use" effects...thigns like DK's Blade Barrier and their Sigil of the Unfaltering Knight...both of which have a 100% possible up time.

Alex wrote:
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3) Items sometimes go hand in hand with Spec. A 32/39 DW DK would not use Titanium Impact Band over Signet of Bridenbrad...simply because Arm. Pen is a fail stat for that build

Agree that items sometimes go hand in hand with Spec. However, in this case, it's questionable if TIB is better than SoB.
Titanium Impact Band:
+9 Agi
+20 Sta
+16 AP
+41 Armor Pen
Signet of Bridenbrad
+18 Crit
Even WoWHead thinks the first one is better: link

Wowhead compares stats yes...but for that build the armor penetration and stamina are a waste. 18crit rating is more crit% than 9agi and 16ap can be made up through a better socket bonus for that build...TIB gets more arm. pen. whereas SoBb gets haste...if anything it's an extremely marginal dps increase (talking ~1dps). Wowheads stat weight system does not account for hybrid specs either...it only accounts for deep Blood/Frost/Unholy/Tank.

It's a good site and it definitely has its uses. I do appreciate you taking the time to answer some questions, and answering them truthfully matters more than most sites can offer. It's a big task to undertake and requires a huge amount of knowledge pertaining to every spec and class to perfect, but in time I think it may work out.

Re: Where is the page that shows how the points add up?
Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:12 am
by Gyx
Forum: General

I personally do not care if you keep your formula a secret or not, but I thought I would point out some flaws in what little bit of info you have given:

1) Professions should not have any influence...the result of said professions should however. Give bonuses for using JC gems but do not give a bonus simply for being a JC...how much good is a warrior with BS'ing using 2x +16intellect gems in his profession only sockets? If he still gets points for being a BS...and no penalty for what he actually gemmed; then he is still a little further ahead of someone who is not a BS and is using 2x 16int gems...when in actuality both of them are morons...but one of them spent more money to do so.

2) Has your system been tuned to DK's at all? DK tanks generally have Blade Barrier...do they get major kudos for the 10% parry they have during combat...ya know...when it matters, or is that not taken into consideration because "it's about gear"...the problem with this point is that you assign a ranking which in turn equates to a persons value in X position...so that Warrior with his 2x16int gems would be considered a better tank due to a higher ranking, than a DK who in all actuality is better geared. How much weight does IBF carry? How much weight does the fact Scourge Strike, Howing Blast, and DnD all ignore Armor carry? Things other than gear do matter, and I have a feeling you haven't done much of anything to account for the cards that DK's bring to the table.

3) Items sometimes go hand in hand with Spec. A 32/39 DW DK would not use Titanium Impact Band over Signet of Bridenbrad...simply because Arm. Pen is a fail stat for that build...yet SoB is ilvl 174 compared to TIB having a ilvl200...so unless you have your "Formula" set up to include spec and top 3 sources of damage then how do you claim to rank someone?

4) The reason all of this is important is because people see a ranking and they automatically assume they are "better than soandso" or, "better geared for the raid than soandso". This has happened to me before. Someone looked on your site and chose a Rogue instead of my Enhancement Shaman for a ZA run. Their reasoning was that I was not as geared and therefore could not put out the same or better dps than the rogue. They forgot to include the fact that I can BL...I can Self Rez, I have totems for group buffs/cleansing, and on top of that I had consistently beaten the rogue in dps and dmg done for the past 3 weeks in all other runs...they used your gear score to determine my worth...instead of using my ability and my class's unique offerings. That's why this site fails.

Remove the "Rank" category/column and just list by gear score and your site would be otw to a much better start. I can tell you right now there are at least 10,000 instances of someone being ranked lower due to item/gem/chant choices that are spec/raid/class specific...want an easy one? +18stam armor kit is ranked lower than 2% threat and parry enchant....how much do you think 2% threat and parry help a Tank against Sartharion+3? Not much.